Thursday, June 19, 2008

Harun Yahya and the end of the world

It appears that Adnan Oktar (more widely by his pseudonym, Harun Yahya) is opening up to the media. Here is a Reuters' article by Tom Heneghan, that includes an interview with him. Apart from his usual anti-evolution crusade, Oktar now has started to talk about the end of the world and the return of Christ (yes, yes, Muslims too).

Long wary of the media and portrayed as the guru of a sect, Oktar has opened up recently, possibly because of a trial in Istanbul on charges of creating a criminal organization. He was sentenced to three years in May but denies the charges and is appealing the verdict.

Oktar says the "Atlas of Creation" campaign and Harun Yahya publishing empire are part of his religious vision of the end of the world in which he plays a role hinted at in his pseudonym.

Harun is Arabic for Aaron, the brother of Moses. Yahya is Arabic for John -- in this case, John the Baptist, he said.

"Harun was the helper of the prophet Moses. Yahya was also the helper of Jesus Christ," Oktar said. "When Jesus Christ comes to the world, we also would like to be helping him ... You might say this is a prayer for that."

Now you must be wondering how will he be helping Christ. Well...can he imagine himself to be Mahdi, the hidden Imam?

Oktar said Koran verses and sayings of the Prophet Mohammed about the end of the world revealed Jesus would return soon as a Muslim to help Islam's savior, the Mahdi, defeat the Dajjal or Islamic Anti-Christ and establish Islam around the world.

"Our biggest project right now is to lay the grounds for the coming of Jesus Christ," he said. "We understand this is going to be in the next 20 to 25 years."

The idea of Jesus returning as a Muslim is standard Islamic teaching about the end of times. But Muslims normally stress the end times less than evangelical Christians do, and Oktar's focus on this has prompted rumors he thinks he is the Mahdi.

"I do not make such a claim," he said. "Because of parallels in what I have written and the hadith (sayings) of the Prophet Mohammad, some people have thought I could be him... but in Islam it is forbidden for me to make such a claim."

Of course, he himself is not going to make such a claim. Except that his recent books are obsessed with Mahdi and end-0f-the-times talk. While Muslims have wildly different interpretations of Mahdi, epecially between the Sunnis and the Shia, in Oktar's books Mahdi is described as a "non-Arab", "having a thick beard", "a mole on his cheek" etc. Oh wait, let him describe it himself (this is from an al-Jazeera interview):
There is a rumor that has been going round for a long while that I have claimed to be the Mahdi. The reason for that is that I have written a book on that subject. I have cited all the relevant hadith in that book. They said that I had described myself, that the information about the Mahdi in the hadith was the same. As a result, [they said] you are claiming to be the Mahdi. They say that his forehead is broad, and your forehead is broad, too. That his brow is curved, and your brow is also curved. They say that the Mahdi has a small nose, and a big body. He is a Sayyid of medium height, they say. He has a mole on his cheek, and one on his back. Because you have all these characteristics, you are probably claiming to be the Mahdi.
Of course it could be anyone. And here Oktar estimates time frame of Mahdi based on his interpretation of Bediuzzaman Nursi's sayings (see if you notice any similarities):

Bediuzzaman calls attention to Hijri 1400 as the beginning of Mahdi's ideological struggle against disbelieving philosophies. He further points out that between the years 1401-11 (1981-91), he will unite the benefits of science, skills, and the goodness of civilization to be used in his struggle, and discloses Hijri 1421 (Gregorian calendar: 2001) as the date when the Mahdi will ideologically destroy the disbelieving philosophies.

Coincidentally, Oktar started his anti-evolution crusade (ha!) in 1980-81. But I don't know if he actually claimed victory against disbelieving philosophies in 2001 or not.

Overall, this is a high-risk venture for Oktar. To state the obvious, there is a big difference between being the leading creationist in the Muslim world to assuming a Messianic status. His anti-evolution message has mass-appeal in the Muslim world because it taps into anti-western sentiment, the discomfort with secularity associated with modern science, and the weak political status of Muslims in the world. The end-of-the-world talk, however, is a whole different ball game and is bound to turn-off his more educated followers, who provide support simply for his anti-evolution message. And that may not be a bad thing. In the mean time, we can watch another end-of-time cult in formation - this time in the Muslim world.

Read the full Reuters' article here.

16 comments:

yusuf salah uh din said...

Adnan Oktar does not claim to be the Mahdi and the Mahdi (as)as is clear from sound tradition (hadeeths) is an Arab, descendant of the Prophet Muhammad (saaws).

It is clear that as a secular establishment (reuters) you are typically trying to cast doubt on his credibility and divert attention from the achievements of his outstanding works which is the utter exposing and scientific demolishment of the sinister fairy-tale called evolution and the disasters it has visited on humanity and continues to do (the survival of the fittest, big fish eats little fish in capitalist economies and might is right (unofficial imperialism) mentality foisted on the masses from very early on in education system etc etc

The guy has caused such waves in academic circles with his amazing Atlas of Creation (that has placed the deception of evolution out in the open)that the Masons have decided that enough is enough.
They are sick and tired of his being allowed to operate freely in Masonically-controlled secular Turkey and hence the reason for his recent sentencing to 3 years in jail for alleged financial irregularities.

But it is too late, his work is out in the open and no one who comes across the nonsence that is evolution can sincerely believe in it any longer. It will become clear to people that it is a deception kept "alive" by propaganda.

The myth that Religion and science cannot co-exist has been exposed and utterly refuted.

If we were really in a democratic system, WHY do they not allow Creationism and Darwinism to be taught alongside eachother and make children make up their own minds to where the truth lies.

It is obvious why not, as fear that people on mass would abandon the consumer/materialist game and return to God utterly grips them. The recent reactions to the Atlas of Creation and the troubles Adnan Oktar finds himself in are a stunning example of how unjust it is.

There is no doubt that it is truly a disgraceful deception but truth always stands firm and overcomes falsehood no matter the attempts of those to whom it causes graet discomfort.

believer said...

to see and better understand

= the Evolutionary Creation concept, and its realted Quranic and Scientific credible many evidences;

= the dark influence of Gnostic and Evangelical (= MESSIAH DAJJAAL) Crusader ideologies behind this fanatic "anti reality" and "anti evolutionary"
pseudo-religious doctrines.

= the worldwide hidden cultural and political "Crusader" agenda behind this "anti reality" and "anti evolutionary" tirade.

and much more very critical information, please visit the web site below

http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/07/harun-yahyas-islamic-creationist-book-pops-up-in-scotland/

and see the comments by "Evolutionary Creation" and then "Evangelism Exposed,"
especially starting at --May 27, 10:21-- and then continuing downwards to the end, at the comments section.

yusuf salah uh din said...

My replies and refutations to the fantasy of evolution in the Qu'ran are on the same blog that is being referred to by the previous commenter.

yusuf salah uh din said...

My name on that blog is Joe Morreale. My full Muslim name is
Yusuf Salahuhdin Morreale and my comments start from 11 April downwards and i start dealing with "evolutionary creation" as soon as he makes his weak and apologetic appearance.

yusuf salah uh din said...

To sum up the topics i have spoken about in the previous 2008/04/07 blog:

(1) The pychological aspect - How throughout history atheists, who have out of arrogance and rebellion refused to submit to the Creator and the excuses they seek to justify their atheism. Today they think that "science" with the evolution scenario has provided them that justification.

(2) How the theory of evolution has been totally disproven and demolished especially from 80's onwards by science (from molecular eg cell to paleontology eg fossils) and countless admissions of disappointed evolutionists themselves

(3) How it is sustained and kept "alive" by deceptive propaganda via academia, media, hollywood etc.
They stubbornly ignore the evidence and continue propagating the same nonsence to the ignorant masses and come up with so-called "evidences" which time and time again are shown to be nothing concrete beyond the usual hypothetical and speculative nonsence based upon wishful-thinking

(4) The propaganda methods and techqniques that are employed in the deception carried out in the name of ideological concerns i.e materialism and it's unobjective stance and rejection of any supernatural explanation of the universe although it is clear, obvious and irrefutable from a rational, logical, reason and scientific point of view that God and Creation is a most solid and concrete reality.

(5) The 150 years of frauds and scandals committed in the attempt to prove a fairy tale eg Haeckels embryo's, piltdown man scandal, stanley millers experiment, "missing links" deceptions and on and on...

(6) The disasters (wars and conflicts) that Social Darwinism has caused and continues to cause - fascism, communism, neo-capitalism. The subtle indoctrinating (eg competiveness in economic arena to the encouraging of immorality and breakdown of family values) of children from early academia, media, hollywood that life is a stuggle, big fish eats little fish, might is right etc, etc

(7) How the architects and maintainers of the current Secular World Order are the Freemasons and how evolution/materialism is a very important tool to their agenda.
An example: The undemocratic nature regarding the teaching of science in schools - the refusal to teach both possibilities - Creationism and Darwinism and leave people to make up their own minds.
The bloodiest era in our history (late 19th century onwards) has occured since the collapse of religious values due in great part to the man-made secular systems which have led to world wars and social moral breakdowns.
This refutes the commonly held notions that religions bring conflict as the truth of the matter is that atheism,fascism, communism and neo-capitalism have statistically made FAR MORE victims physically as well as psychologically.
Religion when misapplied can and does cause massive damage but in terms of generalities and numbers when compared with secular stytems and the lack of religious values in society at large it remains superior as their is and never can be any superior alternative to the deterrent of genuine belief and fear of God and the Hereafter.

(8) The myth that religion and science are incompatable.That religion "has" to be matrerialistic.

(9) How history has not been presented to us correctly. How the Muslisms are the founders and creators of modern science( discoveries/ experimential method) and how they led Europe out of their Dark Ages into their Renaissance.

(10) The refutation of evolution in the Qu'ran by weak and apologetic Muslims who do not know or willingly ignore the scientific deception which is evolution and how they load certain verses of the Qu'ran in order to fit it in with their evolutionary preconceptions.

(11) The delusion of the majority opinion. In Galileo's time the majority of his contemporaries believed him to be wrong but in fact he was right. Therefore being in the majority is no proof of one being in the right. How pyschological complexes and academic peer pressure in scientific circles leads to this scenario.

(12) The scientific reality of the Qu'ran which proves irrefutably it's Divine Origin see Scienceislam.cop where several non-muslim scientists and their admissions

(12) I have mentioned several books which can be referred to regarding the refutation of evolution and it's propaganda deceptions eg Evolution Deceit, The Dark Spell of Darwinism,Global Freemasonry,The Disaters that Darwinism Brought to Humanity, A Definitive Reply to Evolutionist Propaganda etc

(13) How i have dealt with the issues from a Muslim perspective which is in total agreement with eatablished modern scientific findings and facts.
I am not a pro-evangelist as some people keep on making out eg "evolutionary creation" from previous blog.
How evangelists deal with the issue is their concern and i will only agree with aspects where we as Muslims can find common terms. I have made this clear but it keeps on conveniently being ignored. Some brothers are obsessed with the evangelical issue.
The real enemies for ALL HUMANITY is the currently dominant Secular/Atheistic systems(Secular World Order) and their agenda which iclude atheists as victims although they cannot see or understand it.

believer said...

and to see some more righteous Muslim & Christian scholars and scientists who have been fighting against these fanatic "anti-reality" and "anti-evolutionary" pseudo-religious Gnostic and Evangelical worldwide "Crusader" doctrines for at least 150 years by now,
and some of their rightful answers to all of their basic
"methodically distorted & deliberated" objections against "Reality of Matter" and "Evolutionary Creation" concepts, you can also see
Musa-Moses brother's related critical writings and informations at the same web site, starting from --May 11, 7:28-- at the comments section and continuing
--downwards-- to the end.

http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/07/harun-yahyas-islamic-creationist-book-pops-up-in-scotland/

Evangelism Exposed said...

this was the last crucial comment by "Evangelism Exposed," at the web site mentioned above,
but unfortunately it was not published there --perhaps due to fear of possible threats from Gnostic & Evangelical crusaders--
so I want to put it here as it is,
as follows:

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about “Jesus’ Second Coming” to the world,
i want to give these critical informations to all believers
–especially Christians & Muslims & Jews– here, in the first place:


?????????????????????????
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending,
said the Lord (Jesus),
which is, and which was, and which is to come,
the Almighty. (Revelation 1/8)

———-

Behold, I (Jesus) am coming quickly,
and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done.
I am the Alpha and the Omega,
the first and the last, the beginning and the end.

Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the City.
Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters,
and everyone who loves and practices lying.

I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches… (Revelation 22/12-16)

———-

Nevertheless what you have, hold fast until I (Jesus) come.
He who overcomes, and he who keeps My deeds until the end,
to him I will give authority over the nations;
and he shall rule them with a rod of iron,
as the vessels of the potter are broken to pieces,
as I also have received authority from My Father;

and I will give him the morning star.
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. (Revelation 2/26-29)
?????????????????????????

mainly based on these kind of some questionable “Revelations,”
–which is claimed to have been “revealed” to some
so called disciples long after Jesus has been
raised to God–
many Evangelicals may be claiming “deity” for Jesus
and his second coming to earth as a God Incarnate!!
in near future, in the apocalyptic end times,
and thereupon all their Evangelical invasion and domination over the world plans, as may have already been –a little bit– exposed above. (please see later at:
Reuters, Faithworld, under “Harun’s …book pops up in Scotland,” topic; comments section:
comment by “Evangelism Exposed,” June 25, 9:18)

but in fact, the real –dangerous– source of these kind of questionable “Revelations” may have already miraculously/awesomely been prophesied & exposed beforehand by Jesus and Muhammad (pbut) in Gospel and Quran, as follows:

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Jesus said: Beware of false PROPHETS, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Jesus said: Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not PROPHESIED in your name?
and in your name have cast out devils?
and in your name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you:
depart from me, you evildoers! (Matthew 7/15, 22)

Jesus said: why do you call me good? no one is good but God alone. (Mark 10/18)

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Muhammad informed us, via Quran: and thus we made for every Prophet (including Jesus) some adversaries from human and jinn satans;
some of them (jinns) were inspiring to some (humans)
FANCY WORDS (in the name of the Prophet), in order to deceive… (Quran 6/112)

Muhammad informed us, via Quran: definitely have blasphemed those who say God is the Messiah, son of Mary… (Quran 5/17)
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and now let us look, together, into the issue of Evangelical false claim –mainly based on those questionable “Revelations” above– of Jesus’ physical (as God’s Partner!!) second coming to the world,
in the light of some enlightening real teachings of Jesus and Muhammad (pbut), as follows:

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Jesus said: But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away;
for if I do not go away, the Advocate (= Gabriel) will not come to you;
but if I go, I will send Him (= Gabriel, through Muhammad 2/97) to you.
And He, when He (= Muhammad) comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment;

concerning sin, because they do not believe in me;
(according to prophet Muhammad: to not believe Jesus as an honorable Prophet and Christ is a gross sin. 3/45 & 4/159)

and concerning righteousness, BECAUSE NOW I GO TO THE LORD AND YOU WILL NEVER SEE ME;
(according to prophet Muhammad: Jesus never came back and/or seen, and never inspired such questionable “Revelations” (from the book of Revelations referred above) to anyone anything after he has already been raised to God. 3/55 & 5/117)

and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.
(according to prophet Muhammad: the -false- ruler of this world has already been judged and condemned. 39/85)

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at that time Allah said: o Jesus, now I am
TERMINATING-YOUR-LIFE (= mutavaffeeka) –on earth–
and raising you to Me… (Quran 3/55)

(at the Resurrection Day) Jesus said: …and i was a witness upon them as long as i stayed with them;
but when You TERMINATED-MY-LIFE (= tavaffaytane) –on earth–
then only You stayed as a Watcher upon them –up until now– and only You were upon every thing a Witness then. (Quran 5/117)
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and now let us look, together, into the issue of Jesus’ spiritual (as God’s Servant) second coming to the world,
in the light of some enlightening rightful teachings of Jesus and Muhammad (pbut), as follows:

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Jesus said: i tell you, you will not SEE me again until
–the time comes and– you say: “blessed is he (= perhaps that son of man; matthew 4/4 & john 6/27) who comes in the name of the Lord.”

for this is the will of my Lord, that everyone who
SEES the Servant (= Jesus) again and believes in him may have eternal life,
and (God said:) I shall raise him (= Jesus) on the Third Day (= Third Millennium.)
(** please see Psalms 90/4 to understand that “one Day” may sometimes actually be used for “one Thousand-Years” in the sight of God.)

it is written in the prophets: they (= Jesus’ true followers on the Third Millennium) shall all be taught by God. (Matthew 23/39 & John 6/40, 44-45)

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at that time Allah said: o Jesus, now I am terminating-your-life and raising you to Me, and purifying you from the disbelievers;

and I will make THOSE WHO -TRULY- FOLLOW YOU (from Christians) ascendant upon those who disbelieved (under false Evangelical doctrine, 5/17) towards/until the Resurrection Day… (Quran 3/55)
=========================

so surely this Big bang and Evolutionary Creation concepts may also play a big role in these most critical times for the appearance of these rightful Christians
(and then truthful Muslims & and also Jews who may basically support them in their rightful cause)
in this most critical Third Millennium, as may have already been pointed out many times in some of the above critical writings. (please see later at:
Reuters, Faithworld, under “Harun’s …book pops up in Scotland,” topic; comments section:
comments by “Evolutionary Creation” and then “Evangelism Exposed,”
especially from –June 2, 11:52– and then downwards to the end.)

(and please also see: Quran 4/171 & 3/64 & 5/46-48, 68 in this regard)
(and please also see Torah-Deuteronomy 4/15-18 & 18/18-19 & Hosea 6/2-3 in this regard)

http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/07/harun-yahyas-islamic-creationist-book-pops-up-in-scotland/

yusuf salah uh din said...

THE SCIENTIFIC PROOF THAT GOD EXISTS AND THE QURAN (Last and Final Revelation/Guidance to mankind) IS INDEED HIS WORD

The Qu’ran provides dozens of verses which precede ESTABLISHED modern scientific finding by 12-1400 years! and hence discarding any material explanations as to it’s origin.

see admissions of non-muslim scientists on Scienceislam.com

I will include only a few here which relate to (1) Origin of the Universe (2) Geology/earth

(3) Embryology/man and the Hereafter:

BIG BANG AND EXPANSION OF THE UNIVERSE AND SUB-ATOMIC PARTICLES

21:30-31 “Do not the Unbelievers see how the heavens and the earth were joined together, before We cloved them asunder? And We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?”

51:47 “With power and skill did We construct the firmament and verily it is We who is expanding it.”

34:3 “….by Him who knows the unseen- from Whom is not hidden the least atom in the heavens and the earth: Nor is there anything less than that, or greater, but it is in the record perspicuous.”

GEO-SPHERICAL SHAPE OF EARTH AND FUNCTION OF MOUNTAINS

79:30 “And the earth, moreover, has He made egg shaped.”

78:6-7 “Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, and the mountains as pegs?”

CREATION OF MAN

86:5-7 ” Now let man but think from what he was created!He is created from a drop emitted, proceeding between the back bone and the ribs.”

32:8 “And We made his progeny from a quintessance of the nature of a fluid despised.”

75:37-39 “Was he not a drop of sperm emitted (i.e ejaculated) in lowly form?”Then did he become a clinging clot: then did (Allah) make and fashion him in due proportion.” And of him He made two sexes, male and female.”

39:6 “He makes you, in the wombs of your mothers, in stages, one after the other, in three veils of darkness.”

23:12-14 “Man did We create from a quintessance (of clay); then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed; then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then We made of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then We developed out of it another creature. So blesses be Allah, the best to create!”

TO THOSE WHO DENY THE HEREAFTER - THE FINGERPRINTS

75:3-4 “Does man think that We cannot assemble his bones? Nay, We are able to put together in perfect order the very tip of his fingers.”

There is no compulsion in religion and i invite those sincere and objective-hearted to the truth.

As for those stubborn,arrogant, rebellious and obstinate-hearted atheists will put the following question: (call it old creationist argument or whatever)

YOU HAVE NEVER DIED BEFORE SO WHAT IS YOUR BACK-UP PLAN?!

yusuf salah uh din said...

THE QU’RAN WHICH IS THE LAST AND FINAL REVELATION/GUIDANCE TO MANKIND PROVES THAT GOD EXISTS AND THAT IT IS HIS WORD

Who says so?

ADMISSIONS OF NON-MUSLIM SCIENTISTS THEMSELVES ON: SCIENCEISLAM.COM

AND NO VERBAL ACROBATICS OR REFERRING TO COWBOY SOURCES OR SITES

CAN CHANGE THAT. IT IS A VAIN AND FUTILE ENDEAVOUR

The French Scientist of French Academy of Science Dr Maurice Bucaille ifor eg shows this in his book:

The Bible , the Qu’ran and Science examined in the light of Modern Knowledge

A Christian Dr William Campbell (Usa) wrote an attempted refutation of this book and then challenged live in Chicago 2000 Dr Zakir Naik (India) in a dialogue on:

THE QU’RAN AND THE BIBLE IN THE LIGHT OF SCIENCE - watch how Zakir Naik exposes the many clear-cut errors of the Bible and successfully defends the unassailable Qu’ran.

He has also done two other lectures on the subject:

The Qu’ran and Modern Science, compatable or incompatable?

Is the Qu’ran the God’s word?

These are just a few examples of many people who had heard about the scientific aspects of the Qu’ran and it’s total agreement with ESTABLISHED scientific facts and purposefully learned Arabic to verify it for themselves before confirming that it is indeed the truth.

LITTLE WONDER THEN THAT ISLAM CONTINUES TO BE THE FASTING SPREADING RELIGION (including significantly many people high up in society eg doctors, scientists , engineers etc) as it is the only scripture which has no mistakes, contradictions or scientific errors in it.

As for the theory of evolution, it is pointless to keep debating about it any longer because any sincere hearted person can see that it is a fairy tale kept “alive” by deception and propaganda for ideological concerns (materialism) which is an important tool for the agenda of the architects of the current Secular World secular Order i.e The Freemasons

And before doughnuts start dismissing it as some fanciful conspiracy which has been made up DO SOME RESEARCH INTO THE SUBJECT - eg see Harun Yayha’s Global Freemasonry

For more detail to see how evolutionists engage in propaganda and deceive the public see the following:

The Dark of Darwinism - How Darwinists twist the truth to turn people away from God

A Definitive Reply to evolutionist Propaganda

To keep upto-dated see: Darwinism-watch.co

The fabrication of the myth that Religion and Science cannot co-exist has been fully exposed, refuted and demolished.

It is only awaiting for it’s official announcement on the mainstream which will soon be happening God Willing as:

(1) Many people who have come to know of the deception of evolution have abandoned believing in it eg in US and Europe.

(2) Those who still “believe” in it are not doing so SINCERELY but clinging to it in vain out of sentimental insistance and stubbornness. They do not want to abandon their atheism and adherence to their wishful-thinking.

Unfortunately they are in submission to their whims and desires rather than their Creator - a foolish choice indeed when one considers that the evidence against them is solid and that they are going to die one day.

IT IS MOST HUMILIATING FOR A PERSON WHEN HE KNOWS:

(1)HE IS IN THE WRONG

(2) KNOWS THAT OTHERS KNOW THAT HE IS IN THE WRONG AND MORE IMPORTANTLY THEN THAT:

(3) IF ONE DIES IN SUCH A STATE, HOW CAN HE DENY OR EXPECT THAT HE DESERVES ANYTHING APART FROM GOOD HAPPENING TO HIM AFTERWARDS?

Anonymous said...

perhaps you are again in one of your anti-reality & anti-evolutionary "delusional tirade" episodes brother,
please just get out of the way, that people can come to God --if they freely decide so and want so--through His magnificent

= Big bang creation (21/30 & 51/47)

= Evolutionary creation (21/30 & 71/13-14 & 6/133 & 76/1 & ...)

= Reality of Matter (14/19 & 88/17-20 & ...)

concepts, and all the other scientific miraculous statements of the Scripture (all of which have been revealed upon some "realistic" humble believers
who in the first place do believe that

= Matter is NOT an "Illusion,"
but a TOTAL "Reality" that is truthfully created by our God, outside of us.

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anti-crusader said:

and you should also see this
video, to better understand
the "wolf coming under sheep's clothing" issue.
and how some --worldwide-- respected Islamic Scholars may have already exposed this "wolf" and warned the believers rightfully against his Gnostic & Evangelical Crusader influenced delusional ideology:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-vdG6MdXV0&feature=related

comment by Anti-Crusader
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evolutionary creation said:

and as i –and some other friends– may have already answered all your basic ill-based
misled/misleading arguments against

= the Reality of Matter, outside of us, issue,
based on valid Quranic & Scientific proofs and perspective;

(please see later at: Reuters, Faithworld, under “Harun’s …book pops up in Scotland,” topic;
comments section: comments by “Musa-Moses” at (May 16, 6:37) (May 17, 10:09) …

= the factuality of Evolutionary Creation issue,
based on valid Quranic & Scientific proofs and perspective;

(please see later at: Reuters, Faithworld, under “Harun’s …book pops up in Scotland,” topic;
comments section: comments by "Musa-Moses" and then “Evolutionary Creation” at (May 16, 6:37) (May 17, 10:09) …
(May 27, 10:21) (May 30, 1:34) …
(June 16, 9:54) (June 17, 3:58) …

= the hidden (Evangelical) Agenda behind worldwide --pretentious-- anti secular/masonic propaganda,
based on solid quotational proofs and perspective;

(please see later at: Reuters, Faithworld, under “Harun’s …book pops up in Scotland,” topic;
comments section: comments by “Evolutionary Creation” at (June 8, 9:48) (June 7, 9:07) …

and as i have also already expressed before, i will not go into any further argument with you on these subjects here. you can repeat yourself (= your Gnostic & Evangelical influenced ill-based & wrongful & biased arguments) as long as you want…
i may understand your –pseudo-religious/politic– motives.
may God guide you from the darknesses (= the dark sayings of Gnostic & Evangelical influenced false Mahdees) into the Light (= the bright teachings of God-Sent true Mahdee: Muhammad & Quran), if He ever wills so, in the future. (28/56) & (7/30 & 52/15-16 & 5/17 & …)

comment by Evolutionary Creation
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so brother please do not use here so many "realistic" humble and righteous believers' valuable discoveries in Nature and Scripture,
just to "exploit" them after that
for the convenience of your Gnostic & Evangelical influenced fanatic "Anti-Reality" & "Anti-Evolutionary" Crusader agenda,

and please do not make our Religion seem "absurd" in the eyes of so many educated & intellectual people by your delusional "anti-reality" & "anti-evolutionary" tirades here.

if you truly love God, please just do not block the way,
that people can come to God, if they freely decide so and want so,

and please pray for the healing of your "Crusader Puppet" false hero, if it is ever possible! (Maaedah 17& Anaam 112-113) (Aaraf 30 & 186)

Anonymous said...

and to see the real Gnostic Christian Masters behind this pseudo-islamic "crusader puppet" hero,
and their "common" delusional ideology,
you can go to this web-site and carefully read their eccentric
"ANTI-REALITY" arguments first:

http://www.stargods.org/WhatIsReality.html

and you should also see then Musa-Moses brother's critical comments on this issue
at comments section: (May 16, 6:37) (May 17, 10:09)
at this site:

http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/07/harun-yahyas-islamic-creationist-book-pops-up-in-scotland/

to better understand the deep MESSIAH DAJJAL connection with this delusional CRUSADER ideology.

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and to see the real Evangelical Christian Masters behind this pseudo-islamic "crusader puppet" hero,
and their "common" misleading ideology,
you can go to this web-site and carefully read their fanatic
ANTI-EVOLUTIONARY arguments first:

http://www.creationresearch.org/about_crs.htm

and you should also see then Musa-Moses brother's critical comments on this issue
at comments section: (May 16, 6:37) (May 17, 10:09)
at this site:

http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/07/harun-yahyas-islamic-creationist-book-pops-up-in-scotland/

to better understand the deep MESSIAH DAJJAL connection with this delusional CRUSADER ideology.

explorer said...

and to see the real Evangelical Christian Masters behind this
pseudo-islamic "crusader puppet" hero,
and their "common" provocative & deceptive ideology,
you can go to this web-site and carefully read their "pretentious"
ANTI-MASONIC tirades first:

http://bibleprobe.com/freemasonry.htm

and you should also see then "Evolutionary Creation" brother's critical comments on this issue, at comments section: (June 8, 9:48)
at this site:

http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/07/harun-yahyas-islamic-creationist-book-pops-up-in-scotland/

to better understand the deep MESSIAH DAJJAL connection with this deceptive & provocative CRUSADER ideology.

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Anonymous said...

Where is Jamshed Moidu? BTW, dont forget to read ADnan AOcktar's new interview where he reveals that he has communication with the Jinns! This man is a looney crackpot.

Only muslims will take him seriously.

dikakole said...

don't forget to read Quran

multan sulaman said...

i am a muslim i 100% agreed that harun and boys are smoking something, first the quran never, ever mention these trash ,that jesus,medhi,dajjal will be comming, not even once,not a single word, however the so call hadiths that is attrubute to our prophet Muhammad sas is all lies by the enemies of Allah and islam, pls those who want to know more about islam pls read the quran , mey Allah guide all of us to His path of truth,ameen