Sunday, March 16, 2008

Creationist nonsense in England

It is really difficult to write seriously about any Creationism controversies. The notion of a 6000 (or 10,000 or 12,000 - depends on your flavor of creationism) year old Earth is so idiotic that sometimes I feel that we should just let them teach it in schools and let them deal with contradictions that arise in astronomy, physics, geology, archeology, ecology, anthropology, history - oh and of course, biology and all of its related fields. Lets see how many parents will go along with this whole-scale modified curriculum nonsense? The reason for this rant: there is a news story about creationism (the young earth version!!??) making inroads in British schools:
After the Sunday service in Westminster Chapel, where worshipers were exhorted to wage "the culture war" in the World War II spirit of Sir Winston Churchill, cabbie James McLean delivered his verdict on Charles Darwin's theory of evolution.

"Evolution is a lie, and it's being taught in schools as fact, and it's leading our kids in the wrong direction," said McLean, chatting outside the chapel. "But now people like Ken Ham are tearing evolution to pieces."

Ken Ham is the founder of Answers in Genesis, a Kentucky-based organization that is part of an ambitious effort to bring creationist theory to Britain and the rest of Europe. McLean is one of a growing number of evangelicals embracing that message -- that the true history of the Earth is told in the Bible, not Darwin's "The Origin of Species."

Europeans have long viewed the conflict between evolutionists and creationists as primarily an American phenomenon, but it has recently jumped the Atlantic with skirmishes in Italy, Germany, Poland and, notably, Britain, where Darwin was born and where he published his 1859 classic.

Darwin's defenders are fighting back. In October, the 47-nation Council of Europe, a human rights watchdog, condemned all attempts to bring creationism into Europe's schools. Bible-based theories and "religious dogma" threaten to undercut sound educational practices, it charged.

Schools are increasingly a focal point in this battle for hearts and minds.

A British branch of Answers in Genesis, which shares a website with its American counterpart, has managed to introduce its creationist point of view into science classes at a number of state-supported schools in Britain, said Monty White, the group's chief executive.

"We do go into the schools about 10 to 20 times a year and we do get the students to question what they're being taught about evolution," said White, who founded the British branch seven years ago. "And we leave them a box of books for the library."
Ah, how nice of them. And of course they are driven by scientific curiosity:
But the budding fervor is part of a growing embrace of evangelical worship throughout much of Europe. Evangelicals say their ranks are swelling because of revulsion with the hedonism and materialism of modern society. At the same time, attendance at traditional churches is declining.

"People are looking for spirituality," White said in an interview at his office in Leicester, 90 miles north of London. "I think they are fed up with not finding true happiness. They find having a bigger car doesn't make them happy. They get drunk and the next morning they have a hangover. They take drugs but the drugs wear off. But what they find with Christianity is lasting."
Yes, once you know that God fooled everybody by making the earth and the Sun look older, the society will be cured of all of the ills. Oh...except they will also have to deal with Harun Yahya to duke it out for the Truth:
The trend goes beyond evangelical Christianity. Sanderson said the British government is taking over funding of about 100 Islamic schools even though they teach the Koranic version of creationism. He said the government fears imposing evolution theory on the curriculum lest it be branded as anti-Islamic.

The Council of Europe spoke up last fall after Harun Yahya, a prominent Muslim creationist in Turkey, tried to place his lavishly produced 600-page book, "The Atlas of Creation," in public schools in France, Switzerland, Belgium and Spain.
Also add Italy and Germany to the list:
Brasseur said recent skirmishes in Italy and Germany illustrate the creationists' tactics. She said Italian schools were ordered to stop teaching evolution when Silvio Berlusconi was prime minister, although the edict seems to have had little effect in practice. In Germany, she said, a state education minister briefly allowed creationism to be taught in biology class.

The rupture between theology and evolution in Europe is relatively recent. For many years people who held evangelical views also endorsed mainstream scientific theory, said Simon Barrow, co-director of Ekklesia, a British-based, Christian-oriented research group. He said the split was imported from the United States in the last decade.

"There is a lot of American influence, and there are a lot of moral and political and financial resources flowing from the United States to here," he said. "Now you have more extreme religious groups trying to get a foothold."
What a depressing story! To be completely depressed, read the full article here. (tip from richarddawkins.net)
To make you feel slightly better, here is Lewis Black on creationism:


4 comments:

psiloiordinary said...

Hi Salman,

This is part of an ongoing move by YEC's in the UK.

They are currently concentrating their efforts in Northern Ireland - the "Giant's Causeway" was formed during Noah's flood you know - sigh.

Here are a couple of sources of info on the UK situation;

BCSE

"Truth In Science" : Revealed

Cheers,

Psi

Salman Hameed said...

Thanks Psi - I do remember reading about the Giant's Causeway. What a waste of time! I still can't believe that groups like "Truth in Science" are getting this much publicity. However, ignoring them hasn't worked either. So its a tough choice.

Thanks for the links.

critical religious information said...

below is a comment from
"Dajjalism Exposed"

it has unfortunately been found
"inappropriate" for the comments section of the web-site it has originally been sent to --perhaps due to fear of possible threats from fanatic "anti-reality" and "anti-evolutionary" Gnostic & Evangelical Crusaders--
so i want to put it here as it is,
as follows:

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yes, i would like to conclude here these critical issues, by reminding all the rightful believers (Christians & Muslims & Jews & Others) here --as concisely as i can-- with some most critical informations, in the very beginning of this most crucial Third Millennium:

1- the Gnostic christian (at least 300 years old) fanatic "Anti-Reality" movement, as seen basically in some of the most critical writings above.
(please see later, at the comments section of this site,
comments by "Musa-Moses" at:
(May 16, 6:37) (May 17, 10:09) ...

http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/07/harun-yahyas-islamic-creationist-book-pops-up-in-scotland/

2- the Evangelical christian (at least 150 years old) fanatic "Anti-Evolutionary" movement, as seen basically in some of the most critical writings above.
(please see later, at the comments section of this site,
comments by "Musa-Moses" and then "Evolutionary Creation" at:
(May 16, 6:37) (May 17, 10:09) ...
(May 27, 10:21) (May 30, 1:34) ...

http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/07/harun-yahyas-islamic-creationist-book-pops-up-in-scotland/

3- the Inciter christian (at least 500 years old) fanatic "anti-islamic" & --pretentious-- "anti-masonic" movement, as seen basically in some of the most critical writings above.
(please see later, at the comments section of this site,
comments by "Evolutionary Creation" at: (June 8, 9:48) ...

http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2008/04/07/harun-yahyas-islamic-creationist-book-pops-up-in-scotland/

may definitely, altogether, be the real MESSIAH DAJJAAL (= Anti Christ, or False Christ) ideologies of our time.

the true Messiah Jesus (= the Honorable Servant of God) may have miraculously & awesomely forewarned us against these false
--pseudo-scientific & pseudo-christian-- ideologies in Gospel, as follows:

====================
Jesus said: beware of false "INFORMERS," who come to you in sheep's clothing, but underneath are ravenous wolves. (matthew 6/15)

Jesus said: many false "INFORMERS" will arise and deceive many; (matthew 24/11)

Jesus said: many will say to me on that day:
lord, lord, did we not "INFORMED" (people) in your Name...
then i will declare to them solemnly:
i never knew you. depart from me, you EVILDOERS! (matthew 7/22-23)

----------

Jesus replied: the first is this:
hear, o israel! the Lord our God is Lord alone! (Mark 12/29)

Jesus said: Get away, satan! it is written:
The Lord, your God, shall you worship
and Him alone shall you serve. (Matthew 4/10)

Jesus said: why do you call me “good”?
no one is “good” but GOD alone. (Mark 10/18)
====================

and the most terrible position one could fall into
in the sight of God and His Messenger may be:
when someone is utterly in darkness and under the influence of Satans, s/he may be thinking that they are just on the rightful path, in the rightful path of God and His Messenger!
and unfortunately, this may be the terrible position of MESSIAH DAJJAL (= Anti Christ, or False Christ) movement, as may have thus been clearly indicated to us by Jesus (= the Honorable Servant of God) himself in Gospel. (and please, other than above verses, also see: matthew 6/22-23 & matthew 22/14)

***************

and the true Mahdee Muhammad (= the Honorable Servant of God) may have miraculously & awesomely forewarned us against these false
--pseudo-scientific & pseudo-islamic-- MUSLIM DAJJAL (= Anti Mahdee, or False Mahdee) ideology
--as basically in the footsteps of MESSIAH DAJJAL ideology-- in Quran, as follows:

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o Muhammed say: all praise is for Allah.
so --in the future-- He will show you His (QURANIC) VERSES (= Aayaatehe) and you will definitely Recognize them. because your Lord is not Unaware of WHAT YOU ARE/WILL BE DOING. (naml 93) (and please here also certainly see: hajj 75-76)
---------------

===============
..and upon some of them (= craftily manipulated Muslim Dajjal and his zealous followers) the straying became unavoidable.
because they took the Satans (= "anti-reality" Gnostic ideologists 6/112-113 & 52/15-16
and "anti-evolutionary" Evangelical ideologists 6/112-113 & 5/17) as Masters for themselves, but they are thinking that they are definitely Mahdees (= muhtadoon, guided/guiding-ones)! (Aaraaf 30)

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11- leave me alone (to deal) with him (Muslim Dajjal) whom I have created singly.
12- and I gave for him lots of properties.
13- and manpower to behold.
14- and I have granted for him vast resources.
15- then he expects that I will increase it for him.
(perhaps because that he may already be --wrongfully-- thinking that he is a true Mahdee and for that reason thus being supported by God in the first place; 7/30 & 23/55-56)
16- Not indeed, he became a stubborn against our Verses (= perhaps (God) Allah's all those wonderful Verses, which may definitely be informing us about the "Reality of Matter" outside of us 14/19 & 88/17-20 & ...
and then some wonderful
"Evolutionary Creation Techniques" of our (God) Allah 21/30 & 71/13-14 & 76/1 & ...
17- so I will --unexpectedly by him, see 15 again-- increasingly-punish him now. (Muddaththir 11-17)

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23- Did you see the one (= craftily manipulated Muslim Dajjal) who took his ego (= "anti-reality" Gnostic & "anti-evolutionary" Evangelical &
--pretentious-- "anti-masonic" Crusader influenced agendas & ego) as his god (= entity provoking in the name of Allah, see 9/31),
and Allah thus misled him upon a knowledge. and He sealed his hearing and his heart (to the outside world), and He made upon his eyes a veil.
so who could guide him against the will of Allah now? Will you not comprehend this? (jaatheyah 23)
===============

and the most terrible position one could fall into
in the sight of God and His Messenger may be:
when someone is utterly in darkness and under the influence of Satans, s/he may be thinking that they are just on the rightful path, in the rightful path of God
and His Messenger!
and unfortunately, this may be the terrible position of MUSLIM DAJJAL (= Anti Mahdee, or False Mahdee) movement, as may have thus been clearly indicated to us by
prophet Muhammad (= the Honorable Servant of God) himself in Quran. (and please, other than above verses, also see: furqaan 25-30 & dukhaan 47-49 & saaffaat 27-32)

*******

but on the other hand, after some a little bit difficult times in which the MESSIAH DAJJAL and then the Muslim Dajjal (in their footsteps) ideologies may rise up deceivingly in the very beginning of this critical Third Millennium,
there may come a real Golden Age
--after their, hopefully, being exposed and routed-- for all righteous & humble believers (Christians & Muslims & Jews & Others) on the whole world, under worshipping one true God (via basically Big Bang Creation & Reality of Matter & Evolutionary Creation concepts) as may have thus clearly been prophesied in Bible and Quran together:

===============
Jesus said: stop murmuring among yourselves. no one can come to me unless the Lord who sent me draw him, and (God said:)
I will raise him (Jesus)
--spiritually-- on the Third Day (= Third Millennium).

it is written in the prophets: "they (real followers of Jesus) shall all be taught by God then." (john 6/44-45)

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thus Allah said: o Jesus, I am now getting you back to Me, and raising you up to Me, and I am thus puryfying you from the disbelievers.
and then I will make those who
-truthfully- follow you ascendant upon those who -insincerely- disbelieved (= Anti-Reality "jesus' image conjuring!" Gnostics 5/117 & Anti-Evolutionary "jesus' image worshipping!" Evangelicals 5/17)
towards/until the Resurrection Day... (aale imraan 55)

but before this, the mask of MESSIAH DAJJAL (= Anti Christ, or False Christ) ideology, which may be disguising themselves now as

= religious heroes fighting against materialism & secularism & masonism etc. via these ignorant basically "Anti-Reality" & "Anti-Evolutionary" tirades,

and also the mask of Muslim Dajjal (in their footsteps) must be, together, dropped down.
and there may be many good signs in Christian and Islamic world now in this regard. (= Many truthful Christian and Muslim Scholars and Scientists are now openly criticising these "false heroes" and showing all sincere believers that they are indeed "crooks" who are in reality harming the Religion via their ignorant fundamentally "Anti-Reality" and "Anti-Evolutionary" CRUSADER tirades.)

and only after this, perhaps we may really expect the --spiritual--rising of Moses and Jesus and David and Muhammad (pbut) all together, in this Third Millennium again, God willing.

===============
Jesus said: i tell you, you will not --spiritually-- see me again until --that time comes-- and you say:
"blessed is he (= perhaps that son of man who is destined to bring out the heavenly true "words" of Jesus; matthew 4/4 & john 6/27
that may also thus definitely confirm the heavenly true "words" of Muhammad in Quran; 3/55 & 5/68 & 3/199)
who comes in the name of the Lord."

for this is the will of my Lord, that everyone who --spiritually-- sees the Servant (= Jesus) again and believes in him may have eternal life,
and (God said:) I shall raise him (= Jesus) on the Third Day (= Third Millennium.)

----------

thus Allah said: o Jesus, I am now "GETTING YOU BACK" (= mutavaffeeka) to Me, and raising you up to Me, and I am puryfying you from the disbelievers.
and then I will make those who
-truthfully- follow you ascendant upon those who -insincerely- disbelieved (= Anti-Reality "jesus' image conjuring!" Gnostics 5/117 & Anti-Evolutionary "jesus' image worshipping!" Evangelicals 5/17)
towards/until the Resurrection Day... (aale imraan 55)
===============

so, inshaAllah, most honorable prophets MESSIAH JESUS and MAHDEE MUHAMMAD (pbut) together will
--spiritually-- arise and then kill the MESSIAH DAJJAL and then the Muslim Dajjal (in their footsteps) ideologies of our time, in near future, in this most critical Third Millennium.

so may Allah awaken all of us that we may too belong in their truthful army against this essentially "Anti-Reality" & "Anti-Evolutionary" MESSIAH DAJJAL CRUSADERS army, as may have already been exposed in --a little bit-- detail, in all the critical writings & informations given by

"Musa-Moses,"
then "Evolutionary Creation,"
then "Evangelism Exposed,"
then evangelical "Intelligent Disguise," above.

(please see later, at the comments section of this site,
all their comments from: (May 11, 7:28) all the way to (July 2, 1:02)

only in (God) Allah we seek refuge;
take shelter within salaam & peace.

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