tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38085367.post6776933820594116863..comments2024-03-19T09:06:21.507-04:00Comments on Irtiqa: Guest Post: Critiquing I'jaz - the claim of "scientific miracles in the Qu'ran"Salman Hameedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04327330113822656571noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38085367.post-26165842139261426242010-03-03T10:50:00.776-05:002010-03-03T10:50:00.776-05:00Hello Arni,
Thanks for your comments -- very inter...Hello Arni,<br />Thanks for your comments -- very interesting indeed. I'll present a more substantial critique of this trend, with principles and examples, sometime -- I promise, since there seems to be some interest. It will not surprise you to hear already that on this issue, there is much similarity between the Christian concordism and the Islamic one, except that for those Muslims who subscribe to this "theory", there is the absolute conviction that many scientific facts are actually depicted in the Qur'anic verses, so these are not just "concordant" with what Modern Science has told us, they've actually preceded it!<br /><br />The same methodological and theological problems can be found, namely the distortion of the verses' apparent meaning, the neglect of the scriptural contexts of the verses, the largely flawed understanding of Science in general and of specific items/facts/theories more precisely (people confusing dark matter with dark energy and even with... black holes, etc.).<br /><br />In any case, I'll come back to this question sometime, and I think Salman plans to write about it sometime soon.Nidhal Guessoumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12638764091228065424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38085367.post-78990736551332367792010-03-02T23:18:33.691-05:002010-03-02T23:18:33.691-05:00If possible, please share the video of that sessio...If possible, please share the video of that session.Atif Khanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07137026009148344854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38085367.post-22115479958664875092010-03-02T10:46:17.419-05:002010-03-02T10:46:17.419-05:00Too bad you can't go into your critique right ...Too bad you can't go into your critique right now. You got me all excited! <br />I'm approaching this from the outside, as a Christian theologian. And, importantly, as an ex-creationist/IDer. Last year our local mosque here in Aberdeen, Scotland had a couple of open days where they invited curious neighbours to come and visit. My wife and I went and it was a very pleasant experience. Very interesting. Nice people. We were taken from room to room and presented various aspects of the Islamic faith. Among the five pillars, women and family in Islam, Islam and Scotland, there was a section dealing with the topic at hand. Islam and science, I think they just called it. The presentation was basically what you're outlining. In Christian circles we would call it concordism, the belief that the Bible (or in this case, the Quran) aligns perfectly with science. Needless to say, I wasn't very impressed, but I was intrigued. I find the similarities and differences between Christian and Islamic creationism fascinating. I don't know much about the Quran, but I know Muslims understand it very much in a similar fashion as Christian fundamentalists do - and, of course, did so way before there were any Christian fundamentalists: That it's the dictated word of God, literally true and all that. And I know that the claims of creationists about various agreements between the Bible and science are utterly absurd. They do not only stretch the Biblical text beyond recognition, but ironically miss many of the actual "scientific" statements of the Bible, because they want it to be in agreement with modern concepts. The Bible's ancient cosmology, for example, is apparently missed by everyone of them. Of course, they also deny modern concepts, such as biological evolution and geology. As you say, the methodology is ridiculous. Haphazard and lazy. So when I talked to our guide in the mosque, I wasn't exactly impressed, assuming (rightly, I presume) that Christians and Muslims treat their holy books equally bad in this regard. <br />So yeah, I'm looking forward to leaning the details of your critique. I hope it goes down reasonably well :)Arni Zachariassenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13121173674036665609noreply@blogger.com